Right thinking for a while that i needed a rifle/scope that a newbie ( Keith ) could use . and not be put off by the high mag or high price of it . so i managed to get a MPR and a MTC Viper scope 8 to 32 by 60 plus bag for £400 . good deal . surprised the scope was not too bad . ret is a bit thick . but usable . seems to like 7,9 accupell's pretty well . will see how it goes . would like a slightly better scope . but hey ho it is a beginners out fit ??? HOLLY